Super Micro - The Big Hack

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  1. oj88

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    Mm...following the same story since it broke last night. It will only add to Trump’s attack on China. Trade war pa more......over US allegations that China steals US technology (true!), manipulates its currency to gain an unfair advantage in global trade (true!) and unfairly bars Western countries from gaining fair access to China’s market without handing over key Western tech (true!) This Bloomberg article will just add more fuel. Trump will burn down China. Punish China! Lol!

    Check you Siomai phones! Nakikinig ang mga Chinese! Lol! True! No wonder ZTE and Huawei are barred from the US market. Australia turned down ZTE from entering the Australian telco market.

    Even Malaysia’s new PM is backing away from Chinese-financed projects in Malaysia (crucial part of China’s Belt and Road Initiative, which is a revival of the ancient silk road that facilitated trade between China and Europe). Too expensive and too lopsided against Malaysia.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/23/huawei-and-zte-banned-from-selling-5g-equipment-to-australia.html

    https://www.theverge.com/2018/8/13/17686310/huawei-zte-us-government-contractor-ban-trump

    https://www.gsmarena.com/us_officials_ban_using_zte_huawei_devices-news-32756.php

    https://www.theguardian.com/technol...a-national-security-risk-to-uk-warns-watchdog

    https://www.politico.eu/article/eur...ecurity-huawei-us-donald-trump-cybersecurity/

    Chinese tech companies cannot be trusted.
     
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    It’s unclear how the actual breach or attack is going to be like. For now it seems that it’s just a backdoor on their beck and call in the future.

    News speculates that there are two reasons why the impacted companies are in denial. First, apparently, the alleged government investigation is classified and second, since no data breach has actually been detected, these companies are keeping it under wraps as they’re under no obligation to disclose this hack to their customers.

    Well, one would hope that this is just fake news, but at least at this point, the sources seems credible. Seeing that the great majority of tech we use are manufactured in China, we can’t help ourselves but feel paranoid about what other shady activities have they got their hands on.

    As soon as my Amazon Echo devices starts speaking Chinese, I’m smashing them with a hammer.
     
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    Apple has more to lose than Bloomberg by publicly stating that the news is not true, unless there is a gag order from the gov't, which Apple denied, too. I am with Apple and Amazon on this one - than believe that they were affected by the scheme. That being said, the scheme is plausible, considering how rampant blackmail and bribery are in the region.
     
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    Had a conversation with a colleague in this yesterday...

    Now what? We don't have a choice anyway...
    Phones - will we use Samsung now (LG uses Qualcomm)
    PC - ? What brand isn't made in China?
     
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    ^^Unless Bloomberg names their sources the article can easily be denied, and stays questionable. This is conversational piece for conspiracy theorists and until Bloomberg makes it more credible it will stay that way in my book.
     
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    Mm....China steals technology. It is a well known fact. They have zero respect for intellectual property rights. They just reverse engineer Western technology and make it 10 times cheaper. Of course it is cheaper! Zero R & D! And they use the cheapest and crappiest quality material. They really cut corners to make a buck. That is why they have plastic rice, plastic eggs, tainted baby formula, canal oil and who knows what else!

    Example: the exploding hoverboards copycats. from China.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...08/hoverboard-inventor-money-rights-knockoffs

    Trademarks and patents have zero significance to them. Even here in our country, our markets are flooded with cheap, no good products that are smuggled here (in conspiracy with greedy Filipino businessmen). Bags, shoes, watches, eyewear....you name it. All counterfeits from China.
     
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    Apple told Congress it found no evidence of server tampering | Engadget

     
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    They're in a deadlock. Bloomberg raising a red flag (pun intended... get it? Chinese flag?) while the alleged impacted companies are denying.

    Bloomberg did say that the chip is a backdoor that can be called upon when needed. It didn't say that it was actively "calling home", which could be one of the reason Apple, et al, couldn't detect any malicious traffic. I hope someone can somehow reverse-engineer that chip to help clear up this mess.

    The takeaway for me here is, true or not, you can't be certain of everything. A little paranoia sometimes help us err in the side of caution. It helps us to be aware... to be on our toes.
     
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    Mmm....simple test of veracity. Inspect the data centers of both Amazon and Apple (and the 28 other tech firms). Kapag walang ni iisang SuperMicro server, Bloomberg is telling the truth. Remember that SuperMicro is a major supplier of servers in the US. If there is no Chinese spyware (hardwired), it follows that these tech companies are or would still be using SuperMicro servers and na-kuryente ang Bloomberg with fake news.
     
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    Western companies moving manufacturing out of China is easier said than done especially because of the supply chain but I should be done in the long term nonetheless. SK and Japan should do the same as well.

    This reliance on China gives them the leverage to do whatever they want.
     

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