Smart Gilas Team (update)

Discussion in 'Sports and Fitness' started by extremebluemagic, Jan 17, 2011.

  1. ice

    ice PhilMUG Addict Member

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    Nonito is 36 with 5 loses
    Ancajas is a bantamweight... (the world loves welterweights)

    We Pinoys love the underdog.
    Love knockouts
    Love to see their favorite teams/athlete regularly
    Love high scores

    Boxing is not even a UAAP/NCAA sport and not even offered in PE.

    Would you like your child to be a boxer?

    Even Pacquiao plays basketball

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    (As I posted earlier) We all played basketball and as a child, hoped to play pro someday.
    But unlike Benny Cheng and Joey Guanio :) we are stuck behind a keyboard

    What we need is to have better local competition... Remove the 5 Fil-Am per team rule in the PBA/ foreigner restrictions in school sports

    We become better by increasing competition.
     
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    Yup. And that’s the reason we’ve had success in boxing. There’s a weight division in boxing which eliminates the size advantage of
    the opponent. In basketball there’s no such thing as a below 6 feet division. You know what, boxing should be included in the UAAP and NCAA and should be offered in PE. We’ve produced world champions and Olympic medalist despite the fact that we never really invested in boxing as much as Basketball. I’ve heard horror stories of our Filipino amateur boxers I’ll equipped, wearing worn out shoes training on antique gyms. Compare that those overpaid PBA players at Gilas. And how much did we pay Andray Blatche to play for our Basketball team?

    QUOTE="ice, post: 1521327, member: 12999"]Nonito is 36 with 5 loses
    Ancajas is a bantamweight... (the world loves welterweights)

    We Pinoys love the underdog.
    Love knockouts
    Love to see their favorite teams/athlete regularly
    Love high scores

    Boxing is not even a UAAP/NCAA sport and not even offered in PE.

    Would you like your child to be a boxer?

    Even Pacquiao plays basketball

    ***
    (As I posted earlier) We all played basketball and as a child, hoped to play pro someday.
    But unlike Benny Cheng and Joey Guanio :) we are stuck behind a keyboard

    What we need is to have better local competition... Remove the 5 Fil-Am per team rule in the PBA/ foreigner restrictions in school sports

    We become better by increasing competition.[/QUOTE]
     
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    We’ll never be victorious in international competitions because we really don’t play the way they do up there. Mahilig tayo sa bwakaw na galing sa bola ala Kobe o MJ o Kyrie but we don’t know or find it fit to do true team play. We thrive on individual talents. We think a single person can carry the team until the end. That is why we fail. What we lack in team chemistry we partake in individual brilliance. Which isn’t enough. And which isn’t how FIBA basketball is played.

    If we had fielded an amateur team of college standouts from the UAAP and NCAA we might still not win big but we might just have had a fighting chance. Just look at China. Yao Ming opted to send an all-pro team to FIBA instead of its more productive and hungry developmental recruits. Just like Gilas, this team failed to impress, lost big to opponents it once handily beat in the past, and relied heavily on ex-NBAer Yi Jianlian who wasn’t as effective as our Andrey Blatche so to speak. It’s a folly to think just because we have all-pro teams we are at par with the rest of the world. Definitely wrong perception there.
     
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    I agree with you that Boxing should be part of the UAAP...
    Boxers should get the same scholarship given to other athletes

    As for the height is might in basketball... GSW won with a 6'9 guy playing center.
    Dominican Republic had an average height of 6'4 (same as Gilas)

    PBA needs to shorten their calendar - Gilas looked tired.
    Need to shoot 3's accurately

    But we know that already... We Pinoys love Kobe & Jordan... and question Lebron's greatness when he decides to pass the ball than taking the contested game winner.
     
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    Gilas needs exclusive National Pool PLayers.. Roster that only plays for International Competition.. Year round.. day in-day out that trains and plays with one thing in mind.. International Tournaments..

    We just can't pluck players from PBA Teams and beat China / Serbia / Spain etc..

    ex: JuneMar.. he's PBA multi MVP.. he can't be fresh & zoned in to play FIBA rules in 1 month. As much as he wanted to serve.. its too much too ask and lots of expectations to get a grip.. PBA is his main livelihood.. NT would just be his sideline.. and yet International Games are high level style & pace..

    Modern Basketball (GSW style) requires supreme shooting, versatility, high IQ & commitment for team play vs individualistic pursuits..
     
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    Nah. I say we ditch the national team and concentrate on other sports. Our sports programs have never had success compared to other countries’ sports programs. @ice is correct it’s not just about height it’s about speed and skillset. The few sports that we excel in requires a bit of an element of luck ( bowling, billiards). The only exception is boxing. Our basketball rankings I believe isn’t improving. Even in the Sea Games we are no longer as imposing/ dominant as we were decades ago. . In less then decade I predict that we will no longer be shoo-in in the SEA Games as basketball more and more popular globally.

     
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    We tried that while they were handled by coach Toroman... But in the end, the dream is to play Pro... If PBA doesn't call them, (hopefully) a pro league outside notices them for their service.

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    Funny how weightlifting and marathon (both Olympic sports) were never mentioned as alternatives :)
     
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    I have no hesitations to shutdown NT BBall.. until we can field Roster that has a podium chance.. nevermind if its homegrown or Fil-For ala Azkals.. We would have zero chance if this same system continues,, "masarap mangarap, pero masaklap lagi talo"
     
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    How many times did we almost get spooked by lesser rivals Thailand and Indonesia? Five years or less, they'll have naturalized players and they will be better than we hope for.
     
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    A courtesy resignation that was swiftly accepted by SBP. Now what? If even USA can’t advance to the World Cup against a superior French team, then the idea of sending pros to international tournaments without training, understanding and team cohesion won’t work.

    Oh by the way, did I say France eliminated USA? That streak is over, and the worse they can get is 6th place again like in 2002.
     
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    bring back tab or chot. During the 2014 FIBA world, we performed well against argentina,senegal,croatia and greece.
     
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    but that was their B or even C or D team. the US Men's Basketball Team simply did not give a f*ck in winnin g the FIBA Cup. look for them top avenge that debacle in the Olympics by sending their almost A team. Besides winning a gold FIBA isn't that sexy of an accomplishment to NBA superstars i guess, what they are all after is that gold in the Olympics.

    as for the Philippines, it is not just the players i guess but moreso the system. we will always be at a disadvantage not just because of our height but because we are not that big on fundamental basketball. our brand of basketball is so westernized - hero ball, iso driven offense, and a penchant for flashy moves. you can somehow get by with that style if you are tall and athletic. we need to strengthen grassroot basketball and more free clinic to kids as they start learning basketball. lastly Yeng Guiao is not just a seasoned coach but also a long-time politician. it was pretty darn obvious that his pet project in the tournament is to restore Ravena's image. he give Ravena too much while giving Perez and Bolick less because he wanted Kiefer to shine and redeem himself.
     
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    we should recruit Kihei Clark. Clark plus one naturalized big man will be good for our team. Kihei might not be as prolific a scorer like Clarkson but he is a steady point guard who can immensely help our team plus i think eventually he will be PBA-bound.
     

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