Should we Ban, Limit. or never use Torrents?

Discussion in 'OS X and OS X Apps' started by numbdensity, Jun 15, 2007.

  1. numbdensity

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    I adhere to the policies... and I have never downloaded torrent apps (as of now). As I have read through threads, torrent apps thus make us updated in certain things. The quote is from the thread VTS in iMusicians.

    Guilty pleasure on things for free, raise your hand if you have a say on this...
     
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    Uhm...torrents are used in well known open source applications download (e.g. Ubuntu) instead of a direct file hosting service.

    As for bootlegs, that's another story.

    Torrents technology is very useful, how we use it differs for each and everyone.
     
  3. lockheed

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    its not limited to apps, even downloading tv shows (yes even ongoing filipino teledramas) is infringement. its also not limited to torrents or any of the p2p technologies. the most pervasive medium for infringement in the philippines is the optical disc. it also does not matter if it was bought or lent or just installed by a friend. and everytime you make a copy allow your friend to copy a song, video, program, pictures (very common with internet users who usually grab some pics from a webpage), books etc not falling within the license granted by the copyright holder or falling within fair use is another count of infringement.
     
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    I believe that torrents (and other network file sharing methods) are a great way to distribute legal apps (e.g. opensource & freeware), legal music, legal videos, etc.

    As bacchus_3 said, it's useful technology. However, even useful and great technologies can be utilized for the wrong purposes.
     
  5. lockheed

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    so based on that statement, im willing to bet all here have infringed on some copyright (hindi pa kasama yung patents and trademarks). wala lang complainant nag sampa ng kaso.
     
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    Yes, that's true. I just know of torrents of open source apps so that's one of my sample. :)
     
  7. lockheed

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    as for torrents as a tool, the legal view can be found in the sony betamax case all the way up to the current grokster case.
     
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    If asked if we should ban promotion of bootlegs or infringing IT here in PhilMUG, I'm ok with it.
     
  9. lockheed

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    hehe i know. im just pointing out to others that its not limited to that microsoft office they have installed in the macs.
     
  10. quietcynic

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    Lectures and sermons aside, BitTorrent, the technology, is and never has been the problem. What people choose to do with the technology is an entirely different matter and is by no means limited to BitTorrents and the internet.
     
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    The Philippine's Intellectual Property Office does not recognize software patents. Our position is similar to the European position, which is No Software Patents.

    The US, which has software patents, and which for a while has pushed for software patents worldwide, is now calling for patent reforms in the USPTO, following a rash of high profile legal battles over frivolous software patents.

    Software is adequately protected by copyright, and should not be covered by patents.

    Not everyone in PhilMUG has infringed or willingly infringes on copyright.
     
  12. lockheed

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    as i said the legal view can be found above. so bittorrent is not a problem.
     
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    i never said patents apply to software. thats why i posted it as a copyright violation. i was referring to patents and trademarks as the other branches of this subject.
     
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    My point was only that you were quick to jump to the conclusion that anyone who uses torrents is infringing copyright.

    I think bacchus had it right in trying to remind people that BT is used for many legitimate purposes, and that the protocol itself is not bad. I think that is a much more important message to be sending out than reiterating all the ways you can infringe on copyrights.
     
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    My initial reply was for the TS, i just hit the post button later than bacchus. and did i say dvd's? i said optical discs
     
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    My point stands no matter who your reply was directed to.

    Semantics, my friend.
     
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    since torrents is a means of transfering files whether legal or not. I dont think it should be banned because of the illegal files that go through it.

    cars transport normal people and bank robbers...dont think we should ban cars because of the bank robbers :p

    there are probably other better examples but i'm too lazy to think of one hehe.
     
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    I suggest you be an hero, stop ALL of the torrent sites from operating, then you can tell me to stop downloading torrents, thread starter.

    Hell, I'll even give you my iMac.
     
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    Torrents are the future!!! Every media industry in the world (including print) will have to devise some way to get in on the action. The ones that think that torrents can be put down will be the ones left standing in the dust.
     
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    Guns dont kil people. People kill people. :))
     

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