Powerpoint 2004 vs. Keynote

Discussion in 'OS X and OS X Apps' started by hannibal, Jun 21, 2004.

  1. hannibal

    hannibal Guest

    i want to know from those who have used both applications which one is better overall. i've read several reviews comparing the two but i want to know what philmuggers think. is it practical to have both apps in your 'Book? if i were to choose just one which one should i retain in my 'Book? thanks in advance for your inputs.
     
  2. iya

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    Keynote is kewl. Offers impressive effects and it's so easy to use. So if I were to choose just one, I'd keep Keynote. Besides, there's always that save-as-powerpoint-file option for the Windows users who want a copy of your presentation. Too bad for them though, your ultra impressive keynote effects get muddled up in a strange way in the process. But I'm sure your 30GB iBook can keep both programs so why choose when you can swing?
     
  3. elbert

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    I've just started using PowerPoint 2004. First impression: it's still not as smooth and elegant as Keynote when it comes to transitions. In essence, it behaves very PowerPoint-like. My observation is based on a Keynote project exported to PPT. So far, I don't see anything in the new version that's impressive. I'll try creating a new one, then I'll post a more detailed review.

    As to your question, I'd keep both apps around. There are times you'll be needing PowerPoint, but you'll prefer using Keynote for sure.

    [Edited on 6-21-2004 by elbertc]
     
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    I agree with Elbert and Iya. I prefer Keynote over PP for its elegance but I do sometimes need PP to accommodate my PC-using officemates' presentations.
     
  5. directX

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    NO! Don't support Microsoft!!!! Hehehe...

    As for me, it's Keynote, LaTeX and OpenOffice.org Calc for my productivity suite.
     
  6. jasondv

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    I decided to do all my lectures ths semester in Keynote, and after preparing three lectures, I've decided that it's a keeper. It's simpler to use (even when I was using PowerPoint I rarely used all the whiz-bang effects that it offered), and the effects and transitions are nicer.

    After the first lecture, one student approached me to say that she wasn't able to follow the lecture well because she kept waiting for the transition to the next slide (the cube transition) -- LOL. It's not exactly a good thing, but... you get the point.

    I have a copy of Office vX, so I've still got PowerPoint in my laptop. I find that I need it because many people send me their PowerPoint presentations for review, and the conversion from PowerPoint to Keynote (and vice-versa) isn't so clean.
     
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    Check out the new themes in 2004, ok din siya for instant presentations...
     
  8. elbert

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    Ang daming themes! Those designs don't look like they were done in Redmond, Cupertino maybe, but not Redmond. Pretty cool. I'm now porting them all to Keynote! hahahaha.

    Good feature. Helps make make otherwise boring slides more interesting. Still, PPT 2004 is nowhere near the level of Keynote.
     
  9. ginoledesma

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    Keynote is sleek, but I still feel that its sluggish compared to MS PowerPoint. However, neither supports embedded fonts when exchanging with the PC version of PowerPoint.

    One thing to consider when using KeyNote is that, if you have to share your presentation with PC users, consider using PDF instead, as that will guarantee your layout and design is preserved. You will, however, lose audio/video, transitions, and animiation as a result. If you do export to PPT, make sure to look at it using the PC version of PowerPoint or the PowerPoint viewer. Most of the times, the problems are with font sizing and spacing.
     
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    does anyone know why i encounter this error?

    thanks...
     
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    Lack of hardisk space in the startup drive can cause such problem.

    [Edited on 6-22-2004 by peter_ob]
     
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    that also happened to me before...is your keynote new? i mean, kaka install lang?

    try software update...maybe your keynote needs an update
     
  13. right_stuff

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    ok, thanks.... =) will try that...
     
  14. de2

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    not either of the two ... but

    the church i'm working with, doesn't use PowerPoint or Keynote alot ... but uses a different presentation software that makes both PowerPoint and Keynote look malnourish.

    consider these features:

    total control: dual-monitor design ensures that the audience sees only what you want them to see.

    Motion Backgrounds: you can superimpose text over video and animation clips without the use of an external key device. To do it, simply assign a video or Flash file as the background to a Lyric, Bible or Text cue.

    Video & Animation Preview: The Select Video, Select Animation and Select Background dialogs now have a preview function, complete with VCR controls, that allows you to preview the selected video or animation on the control screen without interrupting the current cue. This works with Video and Animation cues, as well as the motion backgrounds for Lyric, Bible and Text cues. If your computer has enough horsepower, this can be done even while another clip is playing to the audience. Which means you can use this feature when you’re assigning the clip, or when you want to verify a clip you assigned to a cue earlier.

    Play Sounds & Videos Together: This enhancement allows you to continue the playback of a previously fired cue’s soundtrack while a video is playing from the current cue. For example, let’s say that during a Lyric cue you want to play a soundtrack and a separate video background: Insert an Audio cue above the Lyric cue, assign the soundtrack to it, and set it to “allow sound to continue after cue ends.” Assign the video background to the Lyric cue itself. Now fire the Audio cue, then the Lyric cue immediately after that. The soundtrack will continue to play as the Lyric cue and its video background play.

    Audio Stacking: This enhancement allows two or more sound sources to play simultaneously (e.g., from three Audio cues, or an Audio cue and a cue soundtrack, or a video and a cue soundtrack). Thus, you can perform the above trick with a Lyric cue ... or play sound effects over a music bed (in a game show, for example) ... or play some other creative combination of sounds that you're sure to think of. To keep one sound playing when another is fired, you must set the first sound’s cue to “allow sound to continue after cue ends.” The quality of playback of stacked sounds depends on your computer's horsepower and the number of files being played at once.

    after much request from the Mac community, MediaShout will be out for the Mac platform hopefully, quarter 2 this year. 
     
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    Speaking of themes, any recommended site or sites for Keynote themes?
     
  16. elbert

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    You could try resetting the prefs file associated with Keynote. Just do a search for com.apple.keynote.plist and trash it (or, if you want to take extra precaution, move it to a safe folder). When you run Keynote again, it will create a new one.

    Also, anytime you experience 'Unexpectedly Quits' errors, you should perform a Repair Disk Permissions under Disk Utility which is found in your Applications | Utilities folder.

    If it still is a problem, let us know.

    Good luck!
     
  17. elbert

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    Jason, .mac offers its members 7 free additional Keynote themes. Some of these were provided by Keynote Theme Park.
     
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  19. hannibal

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    thanks for all the inputs. here's what i gleaned from the October 2003 of MacAddict (software slugfest):

    The Verdict:

    Winner: Apple Keynote

    Why: It's a close call, but Keynote is user-friendlier

    Apple Keynote
    + Great graphics. Easy to use. Variety of export formats.
    - Less integrated with Office apps.

    Microsoft Powerpoint
    + Plays well with Word and Excel. Better charting.
    - Still crappy graphics. Expensive.


    i believe that the version of powerpoint being compared with Keynote here is v.X. i wonder if the verdict would be the same with the 2004 version.
     
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    I just finished my first presentation done in Keynote (an orientation to new members of my team - around 30 slides or so). I used the experience to learn it as well as check out what it could do.

    My own verdict: I like Keynote better. Why?

    Cool & Smooth Transitions (Between Slides and Object Builds). 2D effects run smoothly and the 3D ones usually create a collective *gasp*. I just wished that the future version have 3D effects also available for object builds - now, that would be awesome!

    Better "Attachment" Management. I refer specifically to media (photos and videos) in this case. I included a 7 minute quick time video in my opening slide and some photos on the others. They ran flawlessly and integrated well in the presentation. But, of course, this could be attributable to my powerbook system specs as well.

    Alignment Guides. No more guessing if the figure is centered or not. This was a blessing for me when I did our revised Organizational Structure.

    Better looking themes. If I see another presentation with that "old looking key" on the side of the slide that'll be the end of me. :p I used the "blackboard' theme and the slide masters were sufficient to accommodate all the material included.

    My only issue with Keynote and I think it was rather irritating was that the app favors larger screen real estate. I say this because my main tools were the inspector, color and fonts panes. Needless to say, I was accessing these very often but if I had all of these open then I couldn't fully see in detail the actual slide that I was editing. If I had a bigger screen then I could've parked all the panes on one side of the screen while doing my changes.

    I intend to do all my next presentations on Keynote. Hopefully, I'll be able to snag some switchers in the process. :evil:

    Oh well, its time to get that upgrade...:D:evil:
     

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