MERGED: The Boracay thread

Discussion in 'Travel' started by penmanila, Nov 12, 2004.

  1. Aargh

    Aargh PhilMUG Addict Member

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    I hope the lies of this govt wont be prevalent on this boracay debacle. It is important to havr a concrete plan that tackles every concern and not one sided. That casino chinese project is something that is not inline with the boracay plan that only flat earthers will believe to be not true.
     
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    Palace defends $500-M casino-resort plan in Boracay
     
  4. rbenzon

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    Guys, this thread was created to share travel tips, and/or travel advisories—backread! Perfect example is PhilMUG's resident lawyer, the esteemed @greta87, who shared his findings, based on info from his clients (airlines)—with the clear and sole intent of informing/warning PhilMUGgers, who have existing or future Boracay plans. Did he air his political views? Nope. Just the facts.

    PhilMUG is not the place for political advocacy. Veterans here do not care about anyone's political coliform. :)
     
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    mm....I think the casino resort is a non-issue. It will be 3 years before it opens. Nothing to do with the 6 months (or so, which I expect) temporary closure. I don't get it. Close Boracay to make way for a casino project??? It does not make sense. From where I sit, this is a question of putting the right engineering solutions in place to solve Boracay's environmental problems. We do see this type of problem everywhere in the Philippines. I bet none of the cities will pass the Clean Water Act, including Metro Manila. The Pasig River, which fronts Malacanang, is also a cesspool. Why Boracay? Because it is a good starting point to demonstrate what is possible, with political will and, hopefully, competent management (replacing ineffectual leadership and incompetence).

    It is done. What remains to be seen is if the sacrifice will be worth it 6 months (or so, which I expect) from now.
     
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    I'd rather see boracay closed for 6 months, mas ok yun kesa open nga sya for the next 2-3 years, then wala na dahil hindi na sya kaya maisalba.
     
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    Of course six months isn’t enough to build a multibillion dollar casino. But it is enough to lay the initial plans, like to define and clear the land where it will be built and to bring in important construction materials. If the real intent is to really rehabilitate Boracay, they do not have enough time to get all the necessary approvals and procurement of whatever they need by April 26 unless the government is planning to break the law which tbh is not something far fetch.
     
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    Mmm...it is a separate issue. The casino construction can proceed with or without the closure. Whether the casino fits Boracay tourism and whether it will worsen the environmental problems of Boracay, I don’t know. That is the government’s call and responsibility as the owner of Boracay Island (specifically PAGCOR - raise revenues for the government and DENR - ensure compliance with environmental laws).

    Personally, I do not see the need for casinos in Boracay. We have enough of those here in Manila (Entertainment City).
     
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    Slightly off with the analogy. Houses are just dwelling places. If there's a problem, you can move some place else while you have it fixed. It's not exactly just like your house, though. A better analogy would be if it was your place of business and your only source of income. Do you shut it down completely for 6 months during your peak season - which probably makes up for 50% to 75% of your annual income - or try not to overreact and deal with the issues without sacrificing your livelihood? Wouldn't it make sense to see what you can do in the meantime to address those issues and then complete the fix after your peak season?

    I'm sorry, but I have a hard time believing that there isn't a better solution than this. Don't get me wrong, I do think that serious action needs to be taken to mitigate an ecological and environmental crisis in Boracay in the future. That is essential, but surely, they can hammer out some plan to do the same thing without compromising the livelihood and the jobs that depend on this?

    Also, has anyone read or come across the specifics and scope of what exactly the government will be doing during the 6-month rehabilitation period? Would appreciate if any one can point us to it, because I find it a bit odd that all we've heard are motherhood statements without any specifics or consultations. What exactly can we expect after 6 months? Maybe if people are more aware of the scope and specifics of their planned actions, they would understand why they need to sacrifice and why this very drastic measure needs to be taken.
     
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    Mm...from what has been revealed thus far, the scope of works would be:

    1. Demolition of all illegal structures (reclaiming the setbacks as provided by law etc.)
    2. Connecting all business establishment to the sewage line which is connected to the Manila Water-run Boracay Island Water Co. Inc which in turn runs the island’s only water sewerage treatment plant.
    3. Forcing business establishments to construct their own waste water treatment system as an alternative.

    Also, I read about a plan to determine the carrying capacity of Boracay. It is a hazy plan. Are they going to limit the number of tourists in the future?
     
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    Uhm... unless you live and/or work there, why do you care?

    Jk, jk. Carry on.
     
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    Mm...because I care about my country. That should be a good enough reason.

    Off topic: there is a pattern here: the sudden closure of Miascor. The sudden and wholesale deployment ban in Kuwait. The sudden closure of Boracay. The pattern that is obvious is punitive action. Quick and decisive to be sure. Maybe that is what is needed to solve some of the country's intractable problems. Or maybe not. I am on the fence. What I can only say is we do live in exciting times.

    It is important, to me at least, to pay attention to these developments because what happens in Boracay can happen anywhere in the country for other matters that may directly impact all of us. That is how I see the bigger picture.
     
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    Ok, Boracay's closed. Hmmm, ok, Pinoys, time to pollute Siargao.

    Nooooooooooo!
     
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    dEnR chief disagrees with the casino construction.
     
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    I really was kidding. ✌The joke was that the debate was – it seems to me – between long term fix for a real environmental problem vs short term ligaya. It seems obvious what needs to happen... but judging by reactions here, I guess not.
     
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    Just 2 weeks pa lang closed :)
     
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    Mm....nice baby shark. But I like to look at the bigger picture. Last year, tourism arrivals in Vietnam whose economy is 2/3rds of ours, reached 13 million while ours is below 6 million. Why is that? Because they are building up their tourism infrastructure much faster than ours. They are building so many hotels and resorts that they are running out of sand(a component of concrete). Vietnam tourism contributes nearly 7% to their GDP, creating millions of jobs while we have an 18% underemployment rate, forcing our people to look abroad for jobs.

    As usual, we will be overtaken, yet again, by another Asean neighbor.

    Can you imagine what their tourism arrivals will be once they reached the size of our economy? Probably 20 million.

    Example, Coastal Hill Hotel under development in Vietnam:

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    i guess proper planning should really be put into place. Sustainable development

    just wondering are there casino in the hotels that is being developed in Vietnam? Just wondering if its causing an uproar in their country
     
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    If you picture Boracay right now, it's like the aftermath of World War Z...

    Consequently, a number of establishments in the interior were boarding up and moving to Caticlan...the most number of persons I encountered in two days were six construction workers sleeping on beach cots right beside the I-LOVE-BORA marker...

    I tell you that the best thing about this closure is that people here really want to change for the better and clean it up of all the muck, the trash, the poop, and the dirty officials who sold Bora wholesale to foreign interests...

    Note: Notwithstanding that notion previously, the former barangay officials STILL won this election...crap
     
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