Meat Substitute

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    Of all the ones I’ve tried I like Beyond Meat the best. Flavorful And juicy.. very close to real meat. I would not recommend Tofurky.
    Made it for Thanksgiving dinner last year.. we ended up starving that day.
     
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    ... would you call it "cheating" if we ate these during the Holy Week?
     
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    ^Easy. It’s called Fish.
     
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    Mm...nothing in the world like freshly-caught fish....lightly salted, grilled over hot coals....then dipped in soy-calamansi-vinegar dip....with hot steamed Japanese rice. Why is eating fish inferior to beef during lent? Says who? It is better than beef.
     
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    It's actually the idea of "sacrifice". Generally people prefer meat over fish that's why as a form of sacrifice, meat-loving people should give it up for lent. It follows then, that if you don't eat meat to begin with, if you're perhaps a fish or seafood-loving person, then you should give it up for something else. Sacrifice. It's the whole point. Some people don't eat meat but gorge on lobster instead. They're missing the point. Sorry for the OT.
     
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    True. But for the 17% population of non-Catholics in this country, we don’t miss the point. We just want to eat what we want to eat.
     
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    Yes of course. I was coming from the context of those who believe in the practice.
     
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    The lab-based “meat” is said to taste like real meat although it’s not. Don’t want to know what’s in it. Like Soylent Green, it’s better to know that you can eat it than to know what it’s made of.
     
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    To my understanding Beyond Meat and Impossible Foods are producing manufacturing plant-grown animal muscle cells to a size, weight and form of meat cuts.

    As such this should not qualify as "meat substitute".

    My question is... does this "meat substitute" have cholesterol and animal fat? If it doesn't then it becomes very interesting from a longevity point of view.

    If it is still present then it becomes a kinder way to enjoy steak without the slaughter of the animal.

    Quorn was launched in 1985 by Marlow Foods, a joint venture between Rank Hovis McDougall (RHM) and Imperial Chemical Industries (ICI), and is now owned by Monde Nissin Corporation.[3]

    The same Monde Nissin in the that started in the Philippines.

    I find Quorn highly processed so it may not have cholesterol, animal fat and other animal food specific carcinogens but it does have salt, sugar/starch/carbs and oil/fat.
     
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    I have tried the Impossible Burgers from Fatboy's Burgers in Singapore. Close, but no cigar.

    I was a vegetarian once, for two years. During that time, not once did I cramp in any swim, bike, run, duathlon, or triathlon race—including my full Ironman race (3.8k swim, 180k bike, 42k run). I cramped before and after that 2-year period, but never during my no-meat phase. Point is: non-meat diet benefited me, health and sports performance-wise.

    However, I find meat substitutes funny. It's like people who do yoga but don't realise that the ultimate goal is enlightenment. I have met yoga teachers who bitch, soon after teaching a class. If you can't achieve inner peace, let alone enlightenment, then what's the point of yoga practice? Same with meat substitutes—the category alone sounds like a cop out. (Just to be clear: I learned about other non-meat options from this thread, so thanks to the contributors.) But meat substitutes remind me of a conyo friend who once proclaimed that he’ll "eat gulay only if it does not look like gulay." :D

    You know a meat substitute that isn't a cop out? Fasting. :p

    Not rule-based intermittent fasting programs, but the "listen to your body, and occasionally challenge it" kind of fasting. :)
     
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    Yes but too much fasting can take a toll on your body. So that’s not enlightenment but torture. The body was never meant not to take in food. All living things do. Had we been snakes we could’ve eaten one whole meal and slept for a month. We try these substitutes because some people say it’s good for them. Probably true but would it be to you? Our body works in mysterious ways than others. What is good to one may not be good to us. We should eat what we want. That is what natural law brought to us. Nothing is better than a juicy browned piece of beef on the table.
     
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    I was listening to a podcast/interview of Ethan Brown CEO of Beyond Meat and he got me sold...

    Water -> Plants/Feeds -> Cow -> Humans

    He sees the Cow as a bottle neck since everything can be taken from plants directly.

    Hence, you're not eating Beyond/Impossible since you don't want to eat meat. (I think it was Impossible who said) Their patties have everything that meat has, except cholesterol.

    Cows drink clean water, emit methane and you need to cut down trees to raise cows. Imagine if the cow was out of the picture...

    Impossible vs Beyond, Ethan Brown said the big difference is that he can tell his daughter whats she'e eating (e.g. blood comes from beets)

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    Just to add... learned today about Memphis Meats which makes lab-grown meat.

    https://www.memphismeats.com/
     
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    I don't know how they extract the cells, but this is conceptually better (eco-friendlier and more "humane") than vegetables that underwent cosmetic surgery to look like meat. :)

    But then, Bill Gates invested in it, so be wary of viruses! ;)
     
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    Well they actually look good to look at.
     
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    Mm...it does not have to be a binary choice. To wean off beef consumption, mix this faux beef with real ground beef 50/50. Or alternate.

    Also, is the faux beef patty price-competitive?
     
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    According to Wikipedia...

     
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    I guess it depends on the restaurant, or (for home cooked meals) the type of beef you're buying.

    The bar near our office offers Beyond Burgers and it's the cheapest burger in their menu.

    http://harrys.com.sg/sites/harrys/files/menu/Harrys_Food_Menu.pdf
     
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    I got a good laugh when I saw the surname of one of the founders. Immediately, I wondered if he's related to this (in)famous family. :)

    Pinoy beef substitute discussion:
    "Sa tingin mo, vegetable yan?"
    "Baka."
    :)
     
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