Mac transition from Intel to Apple Silicon

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  1. King

    King PhilMUG Addict Member

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    Cries in PC Master Race.

    Apple will finish this transition by WWDC 2021.

    So if you have any gripes by how limiting these M1 Macs are then wait until then to make a buying decision.

    As I do not see many or any PhilMUG user buying into a Pro desktop then the timeline will fit.
     
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    Before WWDC 2021, between January and June the early 2021 Macs with Apple Silicon I expect to come out are the following
    • iMac 21.5" and 27"
    • Macbook Pro four TB4/USB4 port 13" and 16"
    • Mac mini four TB4/USB4 port
    Although M1 Macs outperform 98% of all PC laptops this does still mean that this will be the slowest Apple Silicon Mac to be sold, ever. Any and all Macs refreshed next year in 2021 will be superior to it.

    So if you're a app developer, 4K or 8K video editor, working photographer dealing with hundreds of 50MP RAW images or other high end applications then wait next year to get an Apple Silicon Mac with 16GB memory or more.

    If you're not as demanding and on a budget then the M1 Macs with 8GB is better than any Intel Mac you can buy unless the Intel Mac on offer is that cheap.

    In hindsight I should not have bought any new computer within the last 4 years. So when I upgrade to the next 16" and 27" it would be so sulit.
     
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    ^^ might just disagree on the app developer part.

    These first gen M1 Macs have shown from different developer reviews that even the low-tier Mac Mini at 8Gb is enough, if not more than enough, as a dev platform. I do recommend the Mac Mini for anyone just starting on Xcode development.

    ...but your reco is fit for those who’d like to do ‘future proofing’.
     
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    I say this as the Developer Transition Kit has 16GB memory and 512GB storage. Mac mini is only recommended if your use case is mostly stationary which most buyers of computers aren’t.
     
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    The reviews I’m talking about are not from the DTK though :) These are from M1s that just arrived a few days ago to devs. of course if a dev wants to be more mobile the MBA can fit the bill too.

    For me any devs now can just pick any of the M1 Macs. If there are other ‘accessory’ tools that underperform on these builds then that’d need more thought but the dev tools alone perform way better compared to 16GB Intel builds - even an MBP 16
     
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    I reference the DTK as Apple's baseline for developers to work on. That's why I specified 16GB memory, as RAM cannot be added to by the user unlike storage that can be added to through Thunderbolt.

    Now each dev has their own threshold of what's good for them depending on the size of their project. But if money's a constraint then 8GB memory it is.

    8GB is more than enough for most users buying the M1 Mac that use it for Office apps, browsing, email, messaging, VoIP, casual gaming, Netflix, YouTube, Facebook, etc.

    If devs are happy with what they see so far and are not looking for an absent feature then M1 Macs it is.

    Any M1 Mac will outperform Intel Macs. It's a given.

    If you have any computer that was bought in 2015 or earlier you've really wrung out its value and have very good incentive to move to any Apple Silicon Mac unless you prefer a higher-end Macbook Pro, higher-end Mac mini or any iMac that will come out before June 2021.

    I personally prefer a 16" and 27" display with at least 16GB memory so the trio of M1 Macs are not a right fit for me. I'd go for the base model as these ship sooner to which I would match a 2TB WD My Passport SSD for less than $240 rather than just a bump from 256GB to 512GB internal SSD from Apple for the same money. It may throttle when pushed but put an active heat sink fan on it and it will perform better.

    Really wish Apple had cheaper storage like say

    • $900 for 8TB rather than 2TB
    • $450 for 4TB rather than 1TB
    • $225 for 2TB rather than 512GB
    • $113 for 1TB rather than 256GB
    It would make many a Mac user love them even more.

    Right off bat I'd go for the $225 2TB option as anything more than that has to have a more substantial revenue case for me to spend more even if $450 gets me 4TB or 8TB.

    A more consumer-friendly price of the Mac mini would be as follows

    $699

    • 16GB unified memory instead of 8GB
    • 1TB instead of 256GB
    $899
    • 16GB unified memory instead of 8GB
    • 2TB instead of 512GB
     
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    Will the m series chip be a yearly upgrade like iphones?
     
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    I'm sure that's one of the reasons why Apple decided to ditch Intel
     
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    Depends on the Mac in question.

    These are my speculation based on antecedents.

    Macbook Air and Macbook Pro will get at least an annual Apple Silicon chip upgrade.

    iMac and Mac mini will get at least an annual Apple Silicon chip upgrade.

    iMac Pro and Mac Pro may get an upgrade every 4 years or so depending on demand.

    If you buy any M1 Mac today you'll upgrade from it by year 2026-2027.
     
    #149 King, Nov 24, 2020 at 10:53 AM
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    To make easier on everyone these are the Macs and iPhones that used those chips

    Apple iPhone chips
    • A14 - iPhone 12
    • A13 - iPhone 11
    • A12 - iPhone Xs
    • A11 - iPhone X
    • A10 - iPhone 7
    • A9 - iPhone 6s
    Intel Mac chips
    • 10900K - 2020 iMac Core i9
    • 9900K - 2019 iMac Core i9
    • 7700k - 2017 iMac Core i7
    • 6700k - 2015 iMac Core i7
    • 4790K - 2014 iMac Core i7
    Makes me wish I never bought a 2017 or 2019 laptop and kept using the 2012 one.

    Sell the 2012 laptop last month towards next year's model that will perform as well as Threadripper or RTX.
     
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    I am 100% certain that the following Macs will be updated with Apple Silicon chips on a Tuesday between January-April 2021.
    • MBP 16"
    • MBP 13" with four ports
    • Mac mini with four ports
    • iMac 21.5" & 27"
    ~80% certain it will be on March, ~19% certain it will be either January or April and less than 1% certain it will be a February.

    The last Mac event was held on a Tuesday, 10 November 2020. A Mac event on March 2021 would make it ~4 months apart.

    Macs are historically labeled on what part of the calendar it gets released whether it be "early", "mid" or late".

    Example:
    • Early 2008 MBP 15"
    • Mid-2010 MBP 13"
    • Late 2019 MBP 16"
     
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    I was actually expecting this to happen.

    Apple's M1 will work perfectly with Apple's Apps.

    Even if you only get 4-5 hours battery life, that's still longer than most laptops in the market.
     
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