Electric Cars

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    Ouch. :mad::mad: Ang mahal. Mas mahal pa sa Expedition.

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    mmm…rip off pricing. Hays…
     
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    Without government subsidy to incentivize EV purchases, it will take forever to reach the ROI breakeven point. And given Nissan's generally unreliable undercarriage, you'll likely not reach that at all.

    Seriously, I hope I'm wrong. Then again, good luck to the beta testers.
     
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    I believe the battery is expected to last for 8 years only...

    As much as I would love to see Electric (and Self-Driving) cars locally, I know both vehicles were not made for the current state of our local roads and traffic.

    Seeing the Leaf here is more of a PR stunt for Nissan PH/Global and the person buying the car.

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    Realistically, if this car was priced at 2M. Would you choose it over Toyota's hybrids?
    (Corolla, Corolla Cross and Prius C)
     
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    BYD Launches A Version Of Its e3 Electric Sedan With A Clutch Pedal And Stickshift | Carscoops

     
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    Mm…Toyota is aggressive in pushing hybrids. Altis and Cross hybrids have a more palatable price. No charging problem, no range problem and you enjoy real savings in terms of mileage. Good transition products until EV pricing here are no long outlandish, at par with luxury car models.
     
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    Agree. Hybrids do best in city traffic. While your gas engine is idling, it recharges your battery. In gas cars, you basically lose the energy generated by the idling engine. On our expressways, the hybrid is just a 1600cc gas car.
     
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    Mm...mileage improvement for hybrid altis vs. conventional altis is a whopping 38%. At 15,000 kms per year average driving mileage, that means 5700 kms saved and at php 46 per liter, that is 262,000 php savings. So, in a little over a year, bawi mo na premium that you pay for the hybrid altis. After the bawi, you enjoy substantial reduction in operating costs. What can you do with php 262,000 per year? A new MacBook and a new iPhone every year with change to spare.
     
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    Depends on the manufacturer. (from driving the C-HR, Prius, Vezel and Grace)

    For Toyotas, electric motor is used while the car is at low speeds, then the petrol engine will start once you go faster. If the car feels the the petrol engine needs help (uphill or aggressive driving), the electric motor will start again to help. Battery is charging while the wheels are turning but your foot is not on the pedal.

    For Hondas. petrol engine is always running and the electric motor will help on times when the petrol engine needs help. Like 0-20, uphill or aggressive driving.
    - I believe this is also how hybrids from Geely work

    For Metro Manila traffic, Toyota's hybrid is much better... Plus you can use your A/C for hours while the car is parked (not sure if local Toyota hybrids also use an Electric A/C)
    Honda's hybrid is always "supporting" the small petrol engine they used so you're still driving that 1.5L car.

    I ran my personal numbers on the Corolla (V vs V Hybrid), I will need more than 5 years to break even. Really hard to buy a hybrid at current prices. Not unless I will need more than 2 hours traffic for my 7km travel to the office.

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    I've given up waiting for the local gov't to support EVs/Hybrids.

    But maybe the private sector can do something...

    Reserved parking slots for EVs/Hybrids? - I've seen this at Singapore where only EVs can park near the mall entrance. There was also an office building where only EVs and Hybrids can use their parking. Normal cars will need to park a block away.

    Free toll during "Earth Month?"

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    "8" year battery life + no incentives (for EV/Hybrids)

    I can't imagine buying the Corolla Altis V Hybrid over the Civic RS Turbo
     
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