DVD Back-up

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  1. the_butcher

    the_butcher Member

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    Hope i'm not caught again to be promoting piracy this time, for it is the last thing in my mind. :)

    I have original DVDs (collectibles, hard-finds) that i want to reburn. My ibook only houses a combo drive. do you know any place or shop here in manila, mandaluyong, makati or wherever that does DVD to DVD back-up?

    In case there is none, how do i copy my dvd movies, audios to a VCD format? what software (freeware) do i use? how long will an average movie take? ilang CDs naman kaya magagamit k? is this worth the hassle?

    Ty
     
  2. extremyks

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    Check this previous thread for a link on how to back-up your collections.

    Tip : You can use google to find the tutorials you need, just key in the right word(s) ;)
     
  3. Henjie

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    IMHO, it's better to just back up your DVDs to DVD-Rs or DVD+Rs. Encoding them to VCD format will mean a huge loss in quality. You will also lose the DVD menus, all those audio and subtitle options, etc. You'll need anywhere from 2 to 3 CDs per movie if backing up to VCD format.


    ~Henjie
     
  4. Mxzylplyk

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    Problem is, he only has a combo drive:)
     
  5. Henjie

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    Yup, but I already U2U'd him about one of his options re: DVD backup service so no worries there (for now). :)


    ~Henjie
     
  6. Dinkydoo

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    While on this topic of DVD back-up, is there a way to do a multi-session data back-up using DVD-R? My Superdrive is the DVR-104.

    I tried using Toast 5.2 to back-up a project file with 2.7GB folder size but the moment I hit "record" it does not give me the option to do Multi-session. Wouldn't want to waste the extra 2GB of space. :(

    Dingkydoo

    [Edited on 4-5-04 by Dingkydoo]
     
  7. extremyks

    extremyks Guest

    Read this review of Dragon Burn

    Some say it works... anyone tried it?
     
  8. softwarewolf

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    Hi all,

    My humble way of saving and backing up DVDs is using OSex to extract the movie from a DVD as a VOB file, and then burning that to a DVD, or just keeping it in my hard disk (kahit medyo malaki yung file - usually 3 to 4 gig). I used VLC to play them.

    Bawal ba yun?


    Junjun
     
  9. Henjie

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    Hi there!

    Toast 5.x/6.x don't have an option for burning multi-session data DVDs. Dragon Burn says it has support for multi-session DVDs, but it doesn't work. :)

    Dunno if there's an OS X burning app out there that has true (working) support for multi-session DVDs.


    Tried it, it doesn't work. Either the app will crash after burning or you won't be able to eject the disc without rebooting your Mac like the MacWorld review said. Either way, the resulting discs are unusable.



    It's legal as long as you're the owner of the original/source DVDs, and the DVDs are legit, not pirated. :)


    ~Henjie
     
  10. Dinkydoo

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    Thanks for the tips. Wont dare try the Dragon Burn. I am limited right now on my DVD-R disks and too much for the budget. Might as well upgrade to Toast 6, even if it does not support the multi session.

    Henjie, did you sacrifice your DVD-R disk for the good of us all? :D

    I think this limitation will be sorted sometime soon. hmmm. I wonder what's taking Roxio a long time.
     
  11. Henjie

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    Oh man, I've already wasted A LOT of DVD-R and DVD+R blanks in my quest for "DVD burning enlightenment". ;-) Sakit sa bulsa, definitely much worse than testing CD-Rs. :)


    ~Henjie
     
  12. Dinkydoo

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    made me laugh!!!! so where do you get your supply of DVD-rs and +rs? I bet it's not cheap. are you using generic brands or branded ones?

    to put it simply, your pain will be our gain. :D
     
  13. Zauber

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    Excuse me for my ignorance...

    @Henjie: Why don't you use DVD-RW's instead of the DVD-R's (or +R's)? I know the advantage is that you can use them again... but what are the DISadvantages? (I miss the feature that ROXIO has on Wintels (You can use the OPTICAL medias like a normal drive that you can write and re-write data - RW's). :(
     
  14. Henjie

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    Virra Mall shops, CD-R King, etc. etc. I don't use generic blanks 'coz you don't need to test them to know that they're crap, hehe. Cheapest good-quality blanks I'm using are the Taiwan-made RiData/Ritek DVD±Rs (P49 a pop). The most expensive are the excellent Japan-made Maxell DVD-Rs and Singapore-made Mitsubishi/Verbatim DVD±Rs (P120+ each). The Mitsus/Verbatims work great at 8x eventhough they're only rated for 4x burns. Too expensive for DVD movie backups though. :)

    Suwerte nga kayo diyan sa HK eh. Lots of options for DVD blanks. From the crappiest (Longten, AN31, AN32) to the best (Japan-made Taiyo Yuden, Maxell and TDK, Singapore-made Mitsubishi/Verbatim). Dami ring 8x-rated media. :)


    DVD±RWs are not really suited for long-term backups. They're also more expensive than DVD±Rs. Since I'm doing DVD movie backups, DVD±RWs are a no-go right from the start 'coz I'm basically making long-term duplicates. The clients are not gonna think of rewriting the discs anyway, plus it's gonna cost them P200+ per disc if I use DVD±RWs. ;-) Many set-top DVD players also have trouble reading DVD±RWs. :)

    Rotating backups (data): DVD±RWs.
    DVD movie/PS2 backups: DVD±Rs.


    ~Henjie

    [Edited on 5-5-2004 by Henjie]
     
  15. Dinkydoo

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    Actually, just reading your reply gives me enough information to know what to buy. I remember going to WanChai computer centre and did not even know what -R, +R and ±Rs were all about. Well, I still don't understand why such differentiation. I wish it was just like CD-Rs.

    What did you mean by 8X-rated media? Did you go to Sham Shui Po's dingy corners? :D
     
  16. Henjie

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    I wish DVD±R prices are the same as that of CD-Rs, hahaha.

    Mitsubishi DVD-Rs (or Verbatim DataLife Plus DVD-Rs) are widely available in HK. They're great if you're looking for excellent quality media. Make sure that they're made in Singapore. Pag Maxell naman, make sure that they're made in Japan. ;-)

    For budget DVD-Rs naman, stay away from Princo, Longten, AN31, AN32, etc. etc. Stick with the Taiwan-made Ritek/RiData/TraxData blanks. Same manufacturer, iba lang brand, hehe. Don't buy the "orange-top" Riteks, rejects daw yun. :)

    There's almost no difference between the -R and +R format. It's mostly a mix of politics and business. The DVD-R format appeared first, courtesy of Pioneer. That's the format approved and licensed by the DVD Forum and is the one authorized to use the DVD logo (the same one found in commercial DVD movies). Basically, every manufacturer that uses the DVD-R format (and the logo) have to pay the DVD Forum royalties..

    But you know how it is, some companies would rather make their own standard rather than pay another company for the right to use an existing standard. This mentality (or greed, hehe) resulted in the DVD+R format. The group that supports this format is called the DVD+RW Alliance and is not authorized to use the DVD logo. If you notice, only DVD-R/RW blanks use the DVD logo. DVD+R/RW blanks use the DVD+RW Alliance logo (big "RW").

    While the two formats serve the same purpose, they're technically incompatible. Used to be that a DVD burner is either a -R burner or a +R burner, not both at once. But right now, most DVD burners already support both -R and +R, hence the term "dual-format" drives.

    DVD±R, on the other hand, is not actually a format. It's a term used to denote dual-format drives (ex. DVD±R/RW drive instead of DVD-R/RW or DVD+R/RW drive). There's also no such thing as a DVD±R media. When I say Verbatim DVD±R blanks, I mean Verbatim DVD-R AND DVD+R blanks. Sorry for the confusion. Tinamad lang mag-type. Pinagdikit ko na, haha. :)

    Some branded set-top players (especially the older ones) can't play DVD+Rs. Some naman can't play DVD-Rs. But most current players support both. And if you have a China-made DVD player, walang problema. Lahat kaya, region-free pa, haha.

    Hahahaha. Sham Shui Po or 3F/4F Sino Center, Mongkok. Ooops. :)

    8x-rated media means just that, blanks that are guaranteed to work even when burnt at 8x. Kinda like 48x CD-Rs (or 48x-rated media, hehe).



    ~Henjie

    [Edited on 5-5-2004 by Henjie]
     
  17. McArenas

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    Malufet talaga si Henjie... para kang instantly, bumilli ng FOR DUMMIES series na libro... VERY WELL SAID dude! :cool:

    ps
    Bakit nga pala di ka nagpakita sa amin dito sa HK? :mad:
     
  18. Henjie

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    Oo nga eh. Long story man. Sent you a U2U. ;-)


    ~Henjie
     
  19. Dinkydoo

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    Hi Henjie,

    Your explanation on the different types of DVDs is clear and crisp. Now I can use your information and ask the sellers here in HK if they know the difference. :p

    Hanef talaga!
     
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    Henjie,

    I have another challenge for you : ) I have a superdrive here (from an iMac G4-800,256,80gb,17") and I tried to copy one movie to a My Melody DVD+R 4X (this one's cheap) but the superdrive spits it out and toast saying that there was not a recordable media inserted. I also tried to copy the Panther installation disk to the same media, to no avail. Care to shed some light?
     

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