Coronavirus Disease (COVID-19)

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  1. porkypork

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  2. imart

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    The Holy Week hasn't ended yet BUT it's quite disappointing to see the church back in my hometown, holding services and accommodating churchgoers. By churchgoers, I mean mga nagsimba as seen from my Facebook feed with photos shared by a distant friend. Although there's only a handful of attendees like around 20-ish with some "safe" distancing, I think, it is still a clear violation and blatant disregard to quarantine protocols.

    I took screen caps of the photos taken last Palm Sunday and sent it to a priest-friend in private. He admitted na mayroon talagang matitigas ang ulo. I admire him as he sets good example by holding his services with church doors closed and have them streamed live on Facebook only.

    The authority of the bishop doesn't seem to have teeth.

    I called our local police hotline and asked if they know about the church activities and the person who answered the call, most likely a police himself, has no idea about these restrictions. I asked if he has been on routine checks and he didn't confirm.

    I reported the same to a friend in the provincial government, who belongs to the core group of officials and it gave them chills, no less.

    Yesterday, Good Friday, that FB friend of mine livestreamed the church service this time. Kita at dinig lahat. Palibhasa, the guy is the guitarist and took the shots from the highly elevated balcony at the back of the church. And oh, with the heat of summer, I could see the people fanning themselves with or mostly without face mask, I assume.

    I sent a screen recording of the video to my provincial government friend. I only got a facepalm.

    I didn't want to leak the information to the media as I wanted to get it addressed without making noise.

    So I decided to search for the authorities who might help and ended up discussing with the provincial risk haba ng pangalan council aka DILG, which has jurisdiction over our area. I hope it doesn't fall on deaf ears this time. These churches should set examples do their part to prevent infections. Afterall, here in Singapore, it started with a church visit.
     
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    Pray for them na lang. Hopefully no one who attended either dies or gets burdened by the 1.44 million hospital fee.
     
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    in the bigger scheme of things, FAITH is bigger than this ccp virus
     
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    A new study examining air samples from hospital wards with COVID-19 patients has found the virus can travel up to 13 feet (four meters) — twice the distance current guidelines say people should leave between themselves in public.

    https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1256916/coronavirus-found-in-air-samples-up-to-13-feet-from-patients

    They found that the virus was most heavily concentrated on the floors of the wards, “perhaps because of gravity and airflow causing most virus droplets to float to the ground.”

    High levels were also found on frequently touched surfaces like computer mice, trashcans, bed rails, and doorknobs.

    “Furthermore, half of the samples from the soles of the ICU medical staff shoes tested positive,” the team wrote. “Therefore, the soles of medical staff shoes might function as carriers.”
     
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    Apple and Google are building a coronavirus tracking system into iOS and Android | The Verge

     
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    Here's an interesting article as to why the use of ventilators should be judiciously prescribed for select severe COVID-19 cases only.

    Why Some Doctors Are Now Moving Away From Ventilator Treatments for Coronavirus Patients

    As health officials around the world push to get more ventilators to treat coronavirus patients, some doctors are moving away from using the breathing machines when they can. The reason: Some hospitals have reported unusually high death rates for coronavirus patients on ventilators, and some doctors worry that the machines could be harming certain patients.

    The evolving treatments highlight the fact that doctors are still learning the best way to manage a virus that emerged only months ago. They are relying on anecdotal, real-time data amid a crush of patients and shortages of basic supplies.

    Mechanical ventilators push oxygen into patients whose lungs are failing. Using the machines involves sedating a patient and sticking a tube into the throat. Deaths in such sick patients are common, no matter the reason they need the breathing help.

    Generally speaking, 40% to 50% of patients with severe respiratory distress die while on ventilators, experts say. But 80% or more of coronavirus patients placed on the machines in New York City have died, state and city officials say.

    Higher-than-normal death rates also have been reported elsewhere in the U.S., said Dr. Albert Rizzo, the American Lung Association’s chief medical officer. And similar reports have also emerged from China and the United Kingdom. One U.K. report put the figure at 66%. A very small study in Wuhan, the Chinese city where the disease first emerged, said 86% died.

    The reason is not clear. It may have to do with what kind of shape the patients were in before they were infected. Or it could be related to how sick they had become by the time they were put on the machines, some experts said.

    But some health professionals have wondered whether ventilators might actually make matters worse in certain patients, perhaps by igniting or worsening a harmful immune system reaction. That’s speculation. But experts do say ventilators can be damaging to a patient over time, as high-pressure oxygen is forced into the tiny air sacs in a patient’s lungs.

    We know that mechanical ventilation is not benign,” said Dr. Eddy Fan, an expert on respiratory treatment at Toronto General Hospital. “One of the most important findings in the last few decades is that medical ventilation can worsen lung injury — so we have to be careful how we use it.

    The dangers can be eased by limiting the amount of pressure and the size of breaths delivered by the machine, Fan said.

    But some doctors say they’re trying to keep patients off ventilators as long as possible, and turning to other techniques instead.

    Only a few weeks ago in New York City, coronavirus patients who came in quite sick were routinely placed on ventilators to keep them breathing, said Dr. Joseph Habboushe, an emergency medicine doctor who works in Manhattan hospitals.

    But increasingly, physicians are trying other measures first. One is having patients lie in different positions — including on their stomachs — to allow different parts of the lung to aerate better. Another is giving patients more oxygen through nose tubes or other devices. Some doctors are experimenting with adding nitric oxide to the mix, to help improve blood flow and oxygen to the least damaged parts of the lungs.

    If we’re able to make them better without intubating them, they are more likely to have a better outcome — we think,” Habboushe said. He said those decisions are separate from worries that there are not enough ventilators available. (But that is a concern as well, Habboushe added.)

    There are widespread reports that coronavirus patients tend to be on ventilators much longer than other kinds of patients, said Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious diseases expert at Vanderbilt University.

    Experts say that patients with bacterial pneumonia, for example, may be on a ventilator for no more than a day or two. But it’s been common for coronavirus patients to have been on a ventilator “seven days, 10 days, 15 days, and they’re passing away,” said New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, when asked about ventilator death rates during a news briefing on Wednesday

    That’s one reason for worries that ventilators could grow in short supply. Experts worry that as cases mount, doctors will be forced to make terrible decisions about who lives and who dies because they won’t have enough machines for every patient who needs one.

    New York State Health Commissioner Dr. Howard Zucker said Wednesday that officials are looking into other possible therapies that can be given earlier, but added “that’s all experimental.”

    The new virus is a member of the coronavirus family that can cause colds as well as more serious illnesses. Health officials say it spreads mainly from droplets when an infected person coughs or sneezes. There is no proven drug treatment or vaccine against it.

    Experts think most people who are infected suffer nothing worse than unpleasant but mild illnesses that may include fever and coughing.

    But roughly 20% — many of them older adults or people weakened by chronic conditions — can grow much sicker. They can have trouble breathing and suffer chest pain. Their lungs can become inflamed, causing a dangerous condition called acute respiratory distress syndrome. An estimated 3% to 4% may need ventilators.

    The ventilator is not therapeutic. It’s a supportive measure while we wait for the patient’s body to recover,” said Dr. Roger Alvarez, a lung specialist with the University of Miami Health System in Florida, who is a leader in the effort to use nitric oxide to keep patients off ventilators for as long as possible.

    Zachary Shemtob said he was “absolutely terrified” when he was told his 44-year-old husband, David, needed to be put on a ventilator at NYU Langone last month after becoming infected with the virus. “Needing to be ventilated might mean never getting off the ventilator,” he said.

    Shemtob said the hospital did not give any percentages on survival, but he got the impression it was essentially a coin flip. He looked up the rates only after his husband was breathing on his own six days later. “A coin flip was generous it seems,” he said.

    But Shemtob noted cases vary. His husband is relatively young.

    “David is living proof that they can really save lives, and how incredibly important they are,” Shemtob said.

    Source: https://time.com/5818547/ventilators-coronaviru
     
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    Mm...the responsibility lies with the priests and bishops. Close the churches! No service no nothing. Facebook stream the masses. These defiant goddamn priests have no brain, no compassion. Stupid priests!

     
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    It's not just the Catholics churches. There are churches with pastors in the US that are treating the quarantine protocols and social distancing measures as a type of "persecution of Christians." Their logic is, those who are really truly faithful will brave the isolation measures, because they put God first. Even Jesus Christ in heaven is face palming, saying "Jesus Christ!"

    Locally, I wonder what happens to those weekly collections that amount to hundreds of thousands a week, or perhaps even millions in some neighborhoods? The Church seems awfully quiet when it comes to donations or financial help. I have only seen a couple of churches donating in the news or my feed. Isn't this the time when the Church should be giving back all the money that churchgoers have been donating for decades? Pero para silang senators, nag vow of silence.
     
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    Buhay muna ng tao bago samba. Safety first.

    You can still practice your faith even much better within the confines of our homes. Much much better in the privacy of our rooms where there are no distractions from strangers, no staring at what the heck that gal is wearing or why that baduy guy matched his shirt with that unbranded pajama.

    Since feb as i mentioned previously, the Catholic bishop here in singapore has been live streaming / recording the services at the cathedral, made available in Youtube. And I could watch the videos anytime and even speed up the playback to 1.35x, making the speech snappier, songs more lively without sacrificing the solemnity of the mass. I'm such a naughty boy. :D

    Oh, i've just peeped into one of the priest-friends facebook posts, who went ahead with Maundy Thursday washing of the feet. From the photos, there are over 20 attendees. The washing process was conducted with the laity not wearing a single surgical mask. Yikes.

    The authorities should sue these. They are not taking the lockdown seriously. If problem persists, padlock the churches. People should not be fixated with prayers lang. Yung iba, panay pray pray sa facebook posts pero hanggang post lang, di naman talaga nagdadasal sa totoong buhay.

    As shared in one of the memes out there, the covid pandemic is really serious - even casinos and churches are closed (supposedly). When heaven and hell agree on the same thing, it's pretty SERIOUS.
     
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    2K now in SG.
     
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    Never Spray Alcohol on Surgical Masks

     
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    Like any business, the church needs money. It can only come from its worshippers and members. Since banks are closed, the only way people can give to the church is to attend their services. And I use church here to indicate any branch or denomination of religious services, whether Catholic, Protestant, BC, Pentecostal, etc. I take it that priests and pastors cannot take the quarantine without getting some compensation in return, hence the need to conduct religious services. So you see, it’s what they want not what they offer in return. Una muna sa simbahan bago sa taumbayan.
     
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    mm...yes but among God’s gift to us is a brain. Use them. God helps those who help themselves.
     
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    "Katawang Tao muna bago Kaluluwa"

    Public Health & Safety needs everyone's cooperation.. Virus doesn't care who's in front of them..

    We're Catholic and have been watching mass Online & on TV..

    I cringed whenever I see Priests, Lector / Commenttors, Psalmist shares single Mic on the pulpit..

    No Mask, No gloves no PPE..

    Covid must be taken as life & death situation for now..

    Deliver Us from Evil.. But don't deliver Virus back to anyone's Household..
     
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    For the first time in my leisurely run tonight, I tried using the cloth mask that the government provided at least here in my country of residence. Bad idea. I didn't wash it beforehand, smells like strong chemical or not sure if there's an actual disinfectant on it. And because of the heavy breathing, i ended up using my mouth and eventually soaked wet the mask until it became useless. Has anybody tried using any specific masks for running?
     
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    Hi friend! I haven't felt the need to use any mask while running... inside the house. You could probably use a makeshift shemagh or balaclava as advised by one of our friends here.
     
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