China Telecom

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  1. Juice

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    Ok, it seems a new player is indeed coming to the Philippines. A lot of people seem eager to jump at the chance to change ISP/mobile provider. Has anyone asked if China Telecom will will use CGNAT, and the “great wall of China firewall” into the system? It seems they will also be plagued by the local last mile problems, and have the same fate as the other telecoms. Anyone know any useful info other than they are coming?
     
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    The "great wall of china firewall" that you call is government mandated. Surely they'd be breaking consumer rights here in the PH if they do that. For CGNAT it is likely they will but maybe will have two pools for CGNAT and non-CGNAT. Otherwise they can't offer remote IP camera services like that of PLDT...if they do offer.

    Wishful thinking is IPv6...
     
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    I have no plans of switching but I hope China Telecom's arrival will force both Smart & Globe to improve quality of service while lowering prices.

    I hope govt will also do their share by removing red tape that will hinder China Telecom, Smart & Globe from deploying their services in a timely manner.

    Ideally through standardized fees & simplified paperwork based on population density and how much personal income tax is collected at a fixed location. No more stupid barangay-specific, town-specific, city-specific or province-specific requirements and fees.

    I doubt CGNAT will be applied here as our govt does not have a law requiring it and is an additional operating expense.
     
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    ^^It isn't that CGNAT is mandatory, the world is running out of IP addresses.
     
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    @Adarna, completely agree with your sentiments about improving our services. Our telcos always point to the red tape of putting up cell sites as the main reason to poor speed & connectivity. This is one issue that the government should address. The gov should challenge the telcos: we reduce / elim the red tape, you improve speed & connectivity to Asean standards & reduce pricing!
     
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    Mm...been researching mobile internet speed in China. From what I’ve read, their speed (average) is not that much faster than ours. Hong Kong is a different story.

    Dapat CSL ang ininvite nila.

    I wonder who their 60% local partner will be. Only a few that I can think of. Henry Sy is the most viable.
     
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    Does China Telecom operate in other countries outside China? It would be curious to see how they are performing in those markets. If not, then it would be a very interesting test case for China to deploy a network in another country without the encumbrances of government control.

    @rolly, haven't we already depleted IPv4 addresses already? I would think that a new ISP would adopt the newer and more expansive IPv6 standards.
     
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    I prefer solutions that target the root rather than doing short cuts through "pruning leaves' that is largely for optics of politics.

    But it follows that quality of service would improve when average revenue per user (ARPU) increases. All figures assume revenue is based solely on service and excludes hardware like the smartphone or tablet.

    Smart, TNT & Sun

    Smart Postpaid: P999-1,065/month per user
    Sun Postpaid: P419-475/month per user
    Smart Prepaid: P109-118/month per user
    TNT: P80-85/month per user
    Sun Prepaid: P63-78/month per user

    Globe & TM

    Globe Postpaid: P1,143-1,117/month per user
    Globe Prepaid: P119-129/month per user
    TM: P63-75/month per user

    South Korea is said to have the best mobile network worldwide with SK Telecom having the highest ARPU among all Korean telcos.

    ₩36,205-36,601 or P1700-1,718/month per user.

    Additional advantage of SK Telecom capital expenditure is that the Korean population largely lives vertically through high rises rather than horizontally unlike the Philippines. Korea is just 1 massive landmass of a peninsula as where Filipinos are scattered onto so many islands that may be sparsely populated.

    Imagine being the only postpaid user on a remote island that has single lane unpaved roads where prepaids number 1,000-10,000. How do you justify Korea-quality service?

    To put things into perspective less than 10% of users in the Philippines are postpaid while over 90% are prepaid.

    This is why gated communities like Forbes, Dasma, Corinthians, etc have better quality of service because barangay-worth of users pay more thus better infrastructure can be financially supported.

    I'm on a P599/month Globe SIM-only plan and a P299.75/month Smart SIM-only plan. Combined they have unlimited SMS to all networks, unlimited calls to Globe, TM & 1 landline area code, 20 mins calls to all network, 6GB of data & 0.5GB of app-specific data. I have little to complain about with what I'm paying for.

    Thank you Steve Jobs for inventing the iPhone and inspiring Android to level up beyond the Blackberry. If it weren't for you our service fee would be more for the services we receive today.

    Competition from messaging and calls through WiFi and cellular data forced telcos worldwide to offer SMS, cellular voice minutes and cellular data at consumer-benefiting rates.

    I have to go dual SIM because specific places in the Philippines only has coverage for 1 network and cellular data network quality varies wildly. There are still open areas with paved roads in the Philippines with dead space but it's understandable as they're sparsely populated.
     
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    I remember the time when getting a land line from PLDT would literally take years of waiting. When Globe entered the market, PLDT held a mass application event near us. Within 2 weeks we had a PLDT phone line.
     
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    Please, please make it happen:

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    Yes please. :) kahit half nalang ng speed im ok actually 1/4 pwede na din hehe. currently paying 1899 for 5MBPS PLDT. no fiber yet sa location :(
     
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    Competition is good but I don't trust China Telecom. I wish ISPs from the likes of Japan, South Korea, Singapore etc. would also bring their offerings here.
     
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    Another positive effect of a third telecom provider coming to market:
    Since PLDT Fiber is not yet available in our area, I went to the main PLDT office to reapply for a DSL plan. I went in their office around 4:30 PM. Processing took around 30 - 45 minutes. At 10 AM the very next day, the technicians arrived and everything was setup in around an hour. I was pleasantly surprised.

    I asked about fiber roll out in the area and the techs told me that the baranggay officials were waiting for some kickbacks and was the cause of the delay. They told me they would definitely roll out Fiber in our area next year.
     
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    Mm...
    Mm...dapat sipain ang mga yan.
     
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    The opposite happened in our place.

    We did not expect Fibr at our area to come too soon, but PLDT did lay out the lines and erected new concrete posts.

    Our area is a small village, not even a subdivision category, with just under 50 homes, but PLDT laid out Fibr lines because there were a lot of DSL applications daw in our place.

    And then an apartment tenant next to our house was the first in our place to have a Fibr line.

    So this got us excited so me and my brother-in-law applied for Fibr connections too only to end up with our applications cancelled because the PLDT system shows our area is not yet Fibr ready pa daw.

    This reminded me of the numerous complaints on PLDT customer service that I read from forums at TipidPC and here at PhilMug.

    We are stressed na with PLDT and we’re not even officially their customers yet.

    So if China Telecoms will enter the Philippine market by the 1st quarter of 2018 as reported, we would be among the millions of Filipinos to welcome them.
     
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    True ..... But they can't ban Facebook and Viber usage here in PH. :) They can't censor since there is no (known) PH law allowing for that, except maybe illegal / pornography sites
     
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    True, and PLDT and Globe may just be using their own reserved IPv4 address pool. A third provider may not have a big pool of IPv4 pool when they operate in the PH - thus likely to be CGNAT.

    On IPv6 I sure hope they will do it. PLDT and Globe does not even support IPv6 tunneling - so a provider that does this should get them roll it out too.
     
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    Will China telecoms help me get better ping for Destiny 2? Yun lang naman concern ko @bacchus_3 and @gadgetmonger diba??
    Hahaha..
     
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    ^^ I don't know. hahaha. When we get 20Mbps (and up) service we'd have better latency. As long as they don't use the same crappy routing policies of PLDT and Globe, we have better chances of better latency. Assuming this will be on the NBN and the government will leave its routing alone then it is likely.
     
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    The best way to deal with PLDT's nasty system is to actually take note of the LP and NP number of the nearest fibr box in your area.

    Usually it goes like:

    MNL
    LP141
    NP5

    It's connected to new or old concrete or wooden posts.

    They're surprisingly receptive to this and if they can easily find this in their system esp for those commission based sales agents.
     
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