Apple Watch Series 4

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  1. raypin

    raypin PhilMUG Addict Member

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    Mm....yes. A definite yes. New design, larger screen. New chip. For the LTE/e-sim model (applicable in e-sim countries), better LTE signal reception. Trade-in or sell your S3 and upgrade to S4. If you wait for series 5, your relatively new Series 3 value will sink further. Same with the iPhone X. I plan to trade it in for the XS Max and get relatively high trade-in value (sa Greenhills grey market) to minimize cash outlay.
     
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  2. raypin

    raypin PhilMUG Addict Member

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    Mm...that's for the really rich who value brand name above everything, including common sense...........”it’s an Hermes, dahling!” :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
     
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    "It is considered as an over-the-counter (OTC) device and classified as Class II, which is the same class as things like condoms and home-pregnancy kits"​
    :D

    In other words, you should not be alarmed when your Watch vibrates from vigorous wrist action. ;)
     
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    Was planning to order from the U.S.. I may pull some strings to get an HK issued SS however.
     
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    jetan PhilMUG Addict Member

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    Done
     

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    Hehehehehehehehe
    I think they do have common sense.
    It’s just that they have way too much money to not care anymore about such “trivial” expenses.
     
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    Good to know.
     
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    Do you have a reliable seller in Greenhills that accepts trade-in?
     
  9. raypin

    raypin PhilMUG Addict Member

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    Mm....bought my Apple watch first-gen through OLX. This was 3 years ago, okay pa. Sa iPhone X trade-in for 7 Plus last December, I lost her number on my phone. I am trying to locate the X’s box. I remember putting the “receipt” inside. I’ll pm you her number just in case. The X was not my first Greenhills phone. My tiangge experience with brand-new grey market phones has been positive, stretching back to the Nokia Communicator and the Nokia 8800. No lemon units yet. Knock on wood.

    Come to think of it, I’ve been lucky. I’ve sourced my Surface, Surface Pro and Surface Book from gray markets, here and in the US (eBay). No local Microsoft service center. Zero problem. Same with my iPad Pro 12.9, Samsung mini-tab and iPad 9.7 2017 sourced through Olx. Zero problem.

    Apple TV first-gen, bought in 2008 via gray market, still working . Apple TV 4K through nearest authorized dealer. Tinamad ako mag-search.
     
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    Sheeesh. One month.

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    Will the ECG feature of the Apple Watch require an e-SIM? The fall detection feature is a killer feature for children of retirees.
     
  12. raypin

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    Mm...ECG does not require cellular connection. Standalone system. The fall detection requires cellular collection to autocall your emergency contact (or in the case of the US, 911) but Ithink the non-cellular model of the Watch 4 will also autocall for as long as the Watch 4 is within range of your tethered iPhone (for autocall).

    Great gift for any grandma and grandpa. I remember my late lola (maternal side) slipped on the bathroom floor and suffered some bone fracture. Luckily, her caregiver was just outside and rushed her to hospital.
     
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    Mm...the official ad:



    Beautiful.
     
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    Don't forget, if you gift your grandparents with a Series 4, they also need an iPhone to get that emergency alert feature to work, unless they have constant wifi coverage. ;)
     
  15. Sheryl.

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    Thanks.
    You are very lucky, indeed!
     
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    According to the MacStories Overview:
    "The health improvements in Apple Watch Series 4 are by far its biggest features, and could have resounding impacts on the lives of many people. Apple has been working with the American Heart Association to verify the accuracy and functionality of their ECG monitor and heart rhythm alerts, and they have already received FDA approval on both of these features for public use. ECGs and rhythm monitors are some of the best ways to identify atrial fibrillation, or AFib, and it's a huge medical breakthrough to make such technologies so easily accessible to the public. If your Apple Watch does detect symptoms of AFib in your heart metrics, it will wait until it has detected six total occurrences before notifying you – which is a great decision to avoid panicking people with false positives."

    So Apple did think of accuracy of their measurements before they create the alert. We'll have to wait and see how many people rush to ER's for false alarms. Also, I'm sure people will find a way to abuse this feature for their personal gain.
     
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    Mm...talk about accuracy is irrelevant at this point. Once the ECG app is activated in the US version of the Watch Series 4, I wouldn’t be surprised if some people start benchmarking for accuracy the ECG of the Watch 4 as compared with hospital-grade ECGs and then people can start making conclusions about accuracy.

    It is not available yet so comments about the accuracy of the ECG of the Watch are based on pure speculation. The same goes with the other heart monitor features.

    Knowing what Apple can do, with its vast resources, my bet or speculation is the ECG will be fairly accurate. Apple’s credibility is at stake.
     
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    FDA approved
     
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    Just want to further expound on the FDA “approval” that’s being thrown around regarding the Apple Watch Series 4 (AWS4). FDA cleared the product to be classified as class II and to be sold as such. Class II devices are medical devices have been cleared using the 510(k) process or Premarket Notification (PMN). Devices that are 510(k) cleared meant that the device is substantially equivalent to a device that has already been on the market and is FDA regulated; and thus, the 510(k) cleared devices can be marketed and sold. However, considering that the technology of the ECG feature of the Apple’s watch is relatively new and has never been in the market before, Apple still submitted for class II designation and was granted by the FDA as the ECG feature of the ASW4 follows the principle to that of a Lead I of a typical ECG device found in existing markets. The clearance does NOT mean that the device has undergone rigorous testing to be considered as an approved device per se by FDA as such devices who have undergone Premarket approval or clinical trials fall to the category of Class III devices (i.e., defibrillators, artificial heart, etc.). If, for any reason, FDA had decided that the ASW4 is NOT substantially equivalent with any existing FDA regulated devices, they might force apple to undergo premarket approval for the device which is a very lengthy, costly and laborious process. Clearance is not synonymous with the Approval designation. Furthermore, AWS4 has perceived risks typical to a class II device and to be released for public use, Apple needs to and will be guaranteeing that special controls are in place to mitigate the risks that may affect the safety and effectiveness of the device (more information about the FDA clearance is detailed within the links provided below).

    FDA Clearance of Electrocardiograph Software for Over The Counter (OTC) use.
    FDA Clearance of Photoplethysmograph Analysis Software for Over The Counter (OTC) use.

    Of note, in the document of the FDA clearance of the Photoplethysmograph, there's an interesting tidbit.

    "The feature is not intended to replace traditional methods of diagnosis or treatment.The feature has not been tested for and is not intended for use in people under 22 years of age. It is also not intended for use in individuals previously diagnosed with AFib"

    For individuals who have a previous diagnosis of Afib, the same people who have an increased risk of developing an afib episode, are not the intended target users of the feature which is somewhat disappointing considering these individuals need the feature the most.

    I do commend apple for releasing such a device but consumers should make an informed decision taking into account the prospective benefits and inherent limitations of the product and not fall prey into the sensationalized marketing that surrounds a particular product.
     
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